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The X-box 360 Ordeal

AKA Stationary Disc Scratching

Gilligan's Island

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Do not buy an Xbox 360.

Just so we’re clear, allow me to say this again.

Do not buy an Xbox 360.

Let me start from the beginning. I ended up landing a job as a movie and video game reviewer for Epiq Entertainment, an upcoming website. Through the job, I would be receiving free video games to review. I decided that I would take the Xbox simply because I wasn’t impressed with what I had read about the PS3’s launch… Big mistake.

With everything, I’m a perfectionist, so I decided, if I was going to make an investment in this, I was going to do it right. Listed below is the total investment I put toward the system in my first purchase.

 

Xbox 360 Premium Console

Wireless Network Adaptor

Wireless Controller

360 Control Pad

Quick Charge Kit

Universal Media Remote

Nyko Intercooler

Rechargeable Battery Pack

64 MB Memory Unit

(2nd) 64 MB Memory Unit

Xbox Live 12 Month Gold Kit

Xbox Points worth approx...

Prey (Game)

Halo 2 (Game)

Dead Rising (Game)

Hitman: Blood Money

Xbox Magazine

Total Initial Investment Plus Tax:

399.99

99.99

39.99

24.99

29.99

29.99

19.99

11.99

39.99

39.99

69.99

30.00

59.99

29.99

59.99

59.99

24.95

   1146.83

 

You're reading that correct, a whopping grand. However, since it was job related, I could justify it and it would be an investment well spent. Plus between now and grad school, I have plenty of time on hand.

Now, when I play games, I don’t just play them a little here or there. I am the kind of guy who will play for spans of 8 hours or so. I am the kind of guy who unlocks ever secret. Having heard about the overheating problems I bought the intercooler in order to extend the lifespan of my system. (Yes, the system is meant to endure those conditions. To unlock the last achievement on Dead Rising, you must play for 14 hours straight. Microsoft wouldn’t have okayed an achievement that the system can’t handle.)

For the first three weeks, the system worked fine. I beat Dead Rising, Halo, Prey, and Call of Duty (borrowed from a friend), before returning to Dead Rising to attempt to unlock everything. As I was playing, I noticed it kept freezing up when I attempted the 14-hour achievement. Upon examining the disc, I noticed that it had some small scratches on the back. I attributed this it maybe being uncharacteristically scratched between the first time I played it and the second time. You have to understand, that as a perfectionist, my games are all in pristine condition.

I moved on to Hitman. While the first week of playing it, I was unable to beat the game because it froze up on the last level and gave me a disc unreadable error. When I took the game out and examined the back, it had some rather significant scratches. Something was fishy because the disk had went straight into the machine from the time I opened it and never left until I checked it. I figured that it may just have been a quirk and started to play it on a different difficulty. On the other difficulty, there were certain moments in the game it would always freeze until the point where it became unplayable as the system refused to read the disc.

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When examining the game for a second time, instead of just a few scratches, there were a large number on the back of the disc. The Xbox 360 ate my disc! Though the reflection obscures some of the scratches, you can obviously see some of them (open pic in new window to enlarge.) When you look at it, you can see that they are obviously small curves, caused by rubbing while the disc is spinning. What you see here is effectively enough to cause a disc to become unplayable.

When I realized that the indeed, the Xbox 360 did scratch discs. I called Xbox tech support. To say the experience was frustrating would be an understatement. Microsoft is obviously outsourcing their tech support to other countries where English is not the native tongue. As result of this, they don’t actually listen to the problem, but instead read from a flow chart they follow on a computer screen. Their job is to try to get you to give up so that they don’t have to accept blame for their faulty product. They don’t make money simply by giving games away.

They first tried to convince me that I moved the Xbox while playing. I corrected them, explaining that my Xbox has not moved since the moment I set it up in its entertainment center. They then questioned if I tugged on the chord and possibly moved it. I explained to them that I only have one chorded controller that I simply use to unlock time based achievements, so that I can put it down, do something else and not worry about the controller turning off. She then said it was probably because of sound vibrations that vibrated the disc inside, causing it to rub. I explained to her that my X-box is in an entertainment center that has no speakers on it, my TV sound is also sent through the auxiliary speakers, and that the subwoofer is across the room.

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(The arrows indicate speaker and woofer placement.)

She tried to tell me that it was probably from playing my video games too loud. While this was ridiculous, I could understand that they were still trying to dodge responsibility. I explained to her that I was actually playing Hitman and Dead Rising at lower sound volume than I was Prey, because of how quiet the dialog was, and that if sound was the culprit, then Prey should have been the first one damaged. Next on her flowchart was trying to get me to return the game. Anyone with any common sense knows that a retail store isn’t going to take back a month old game that has been scratched to the point of being unplayable. I told her that wouldn’t work, plus it still wouldn’t fix the issue that my Xbox 360 destroys discs, Microsoft’s faulty product destroyed 120 dollars in video games.

She said that because my system was still new, they could fix it, but they couldn’t do anything about the games because they weren’t manufactured by Microsoft. I informed her that the discs didn’t ruin themselves. Because of the fact the Xbox was faulty and ruined the games, they were ultimately responsible to replace them. When a product malfunctions and ruins another product, the liability is upon the first offending party. I pressed the issue and she asked that I include one disc as an example when I send my system back as proof and Microsoft will substitute my ruined games with games from their own library.

I'm someone who is always careful to document everything, so I included a documented account of the escalation of problems with the system so they would be aware of the problem. I also posed a few questions, listed below, copied from the text.

Now I find myself in a bind. Have I foolishly invested my money in a company who manufactures faulty wares? Even if the system is replaced, will it still scratch my discs in the future? What will happen if it does it again, but not in a near enough time that it would be covered by the warranty? Ultimately I’d be out about 1000 bucks. If that is the case, I would rather just send you all products I purchased for the system and have all my money refunded and not deal with the whole mess.

I am encouraged that you are willing to replace the games it ruined. My consumer confidence is still shaken pretty good as I’ve never had any other problems like this with any other system, not one. Would you please address the following concerns

1. How can I extend my warrantee from here on out to protect myself in the future?

2. How can I protect my games? I’ve since done my research and found that while disc covers do protect games and DVDs, they can cause wobble and add extra weight which causes more wear and tear on the system itself, which could half it’s lifespan.

3. If the system is replaced, will the dnlded games and my hard drive info be transferred over?

So, along with the 360, I have included:

  1. this letter.
  2. a copy of the original receipt.
  3. the damaged copy of Hitman: Bloodmoney (representing the damage to both itself and Dead Rising)

All I ask is that I have the name and reference number of the rep and manager who deal with this case, an explanation of what went wrong with the system, and an answer to how the issue can be resolved. I’m sorry to be so nitpicking and anal about all of this, but as I mentioned, the devil is in the details, so document, document, document.

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After about a week, I received my box to ship it back to them with instructions. I sent it out back out with the console, the game in a sleeve, and the letter on top. After a week, UPS delivered the console back. There were no answers to the questions, no replaced games, just a console and the old scratched up game, still in its original envelope. They were simply ignoring the problem in hopes that it went away. I called back and once again explained the problem to the outsourced, un-understanding tech support, and demanded to speak to a supervisor.

The supervisor was obviously an American who did actually listen to the problem. I was surprised how willingly he replaced the game. He assured me that it was just a random fluke and that it’s normal for a small percent of any electronic product to malfunction and that I just happened to be in that small percent. He said he was sorry about the games and offered to replace them with Kameo, and Project Gotham Racing, the only two currently available. Neither were games that I really wanted, but I was thankful to be getting something and have them making an effort to please me.

I decided to removed the intercooler in case it was a cause since it was a third party product. I also decided it best to purchase the extended warrantee for another 100 dollars. Ultimately, I traded Kameo in for 8 dollars and PGR for 10 at Electronics Boutique and put that toward a new 60 dollar Hitman and a 60 dollar Dead Rising, as neither of the games they gave me interested me in the least. So ultimately I ate $110.40 and went 2 weeks without a system. This brings the grand total up to 1257.23. I ignored the fact that I had to spend another 100 to return myself to where I was before the problem and chalked it up to a rare mistake like they claimed, and another to protect that investment.

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Credit from traded in games

2nd Dead Rising

2nd Hitman

Saint's Row

Just Cause

Dead or Alive 4

Marvel Ultimate Alliance (Pre-Ordered)

Gears of War (Pre-Ordered)

Secondary Investment Plus Tax:

-18.00

59.99

59.99

59.99

49.99

39.99

59.99

59.99

   397.97

 

Things were fine for a month or so. I bought and beat Saint's Row, Dead or Alive 4, and Just Cause. I was mainly just biding my time until Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Gears of War came out, since I had pre-ordered both. The website was finally coming around and I would be starting to submit reviews on the newer games. So I picked up my Marvel Ultimate Alliance from Electronics Boutique on a Thurs night. It went straight from box to console. By Friday after noon, it was freezing and I got the all to familiar "unreadable disc" error. I took it out, and a brand new game had the same scratches on it.

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(I took the picture above from Xbox 360 Scratching Widespread? to show that this isn't an isolated problem. After asking around, I've discovered friends who have the same problems, but didn't realize it was the xbox scratching the disks.)

By now, I was fed up with the system. I called them on Sat simply to show that the game has only been out for 3 days and lend credibility to my problem that the disc wasn't moved from the system. I called and explained the problem and was told by the foreigner, "the Xbox doesn't scratch discs, you must have done it." I once again explained the whole story and that it had scratched them in the past and Microsoft recognized this, and took responsibility. She said I should open up my Xbox and see if I can find what is scratching the disks. I told her I wasn't going to do this because I wouldn't know what to look for, what to fix, and was pretty sure that tampering with the insides voided the warrantee. She ineffectively tried to mislead me into voiding the warrantee. She told me to call back once I had done this and disconnected the call.

I called back and received another person and explained the problem yet again, he told me that I should play some other games to see if it ruins them as well. I asked if he was kidding, asking me to risk ruining games that Microsoft was trying it’s best to keep from replacing. He offered to put me on with a supervisor. After remaining on fold for 30 minutes he said I should call back in an hour due to high traffic on the line. I called back and finally was put on with a supervisor, but the call was dropped when I was explaining the issue. So I wrote to them via email, hoping for a response, the reply is below.

“We deeply apologize for the inconvenience. It sounds like Zac that this has been a very frustrating experience for you. But all repairs, replacement, cancellations, refunds , billing questions, status of repair , inquiries, product/game cost and account or subscription problems are being address through our phone support line. ”

Now, each time you call tech support, you have to go through the same story, all the details. So by call 6, I was done with the games and demanded that they send me a package so I could send the system back and to speak to a supervisor. I said that I would wait on the line as long as it takes. She said that was not possible, but they could have one call me the next day at 5. Predictably, no one called. The next morning, I called for the 7th time and on my breaking point, recanted the story yet again. When explaining the story, he claimed that they have no way of knowing where I moved the system or not, accusing me of lying to them. Of course being on the phone, they don’t know what kind of person I am and have no way of knowing that I’m a man of strong integrity. He then claimed that it was perhaps the disc and I should try to return it. After 30 minutes of arguing, he refused to put me through to a supervisor and said that I should just call back once I send the system out and get it back.

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A disc problem? I went to Electronics Boutique and told them everything Microsoft had told me. The clerk informed me that he won’t buy a system because of all the problems customers tell him about. He did graciously replace the disc for me when he saw how frustrated I was. Now if it was a disc balance problem as they suggested, the chances of this new disc being scratched would be rare. Not wanting to risk a new disc, I purchased those disc skins. After playing the new copy of the game for 3 hours, I took it out and smiled, seeing the scratches on the skin and knowing that I wasn’t, in fact, crazy.

So now I am waiting to send my system back out, and missing the release of Gears of War because of this. I’m pissed. I’m pissed I’ve wasted this much money on this much of a hassle. I’m pissed that Microsoft is so difficult to work with. I’m pissed I had to pay 110 for because of their mistake.

So I decided that I would create this website and post it on all the game websites I found until Microsoft addresses their faulty xbox 360s and is willing to accept liability for their disc scratching and replace the discs of games their system has ruined. I never had this problem with my PS1, my PS2, my Dreamcast, or even a Sega Saturn. There is something drastically wrong with a system that you have to treat with the care of a bomb squad tech. If average sound is enough to cause your system to screw up, don't you think it's something that should have been taken care of?

Yes, your Xbox does scratch your discs and ruin your games. Don't let them try to scam you out of their liability.

If your situation is like mine, it may benefit you to check Lawyers and Settlements who have a submission form for a class action suit against microsoft because of defective xbox 360s. I found them on google. Apparently the issue is rather large. A man in Chicago sued them earlier this year according to MSNBC.

Update (11/08/06) - On the 8th call, I finally got a hold of a supervisor. I explained that I now have proof. If I put a disc skin on the disc and put it in, after an hour of playing, the skin has scratches on it. He told me that the disc scratching is an issue that microsoft doesn't recognize whether it's happening, proof or not. Because they don't recognize the issue they won't do anything about it. Disc scratching isn't even considered a viable reason to have a system repaired and that they are willing to repair my system as a favor and that I should consider myself lucky. He also gave me the mailing address of the corporate heads behind the issue.

Microsoft Corporation

Xbox 360 Department

1 Microsoft Way

Redmond WA, 98052

Update (11/20/06) -  So I wrote a letter and sent a copy of this website to the above mentioned address as well as sending the same with the system to be repaired. After roughly 12 days, the system came back today. I suspected that they wouldn't reply to the letters because if they say anything in writing, they can be held accountable for it, while if they simply ignore you, at least they haven't said anything wrong. I wanted to make sure that they at least gave me a new disc drive so I put a small dot on the bottom of the drive that I could check for. Today the package arrived and while it appeared to be a new system, it was broken right out of the box. They sent me back a broken system. As soon as I plugged it in, it gave me the red ring of death. Nothing worked. Even all cables in, checked, and run through their little support thing, nothing. The power button seemed to be sticking. I dunno.

 

After waiting on the phone for over an hour, they first tried to shoulder me with the responsibility of paying to send it back until I through the L word - Liability at them again. Because no one had gotten back to me from the standard mail to that address, I also asked for someone more specific. They refused to give me an email or a phone number, but said I could direct my letter to the Legal Dept. and the Service Contract Dept. and maybe they'll get back to me this time.

Update (12/02/06) - On November 18th. I received my Xbox 360 back for the second time. Right out of the box, there was an error. It gave me the red light that indicates no connection. Furiously I called and asked for another repair box. A few days later, upon further inspection, I found that there was something blocking the AV connection. I plugged it in, and it played fine. After about a week I managed to beat my Gears of War and then went back to my replaced, brand new Marvel Ultimate Alliance. After roughly three days of playing the game, without moving the system or removing it from the console, it froze and gave me the all too familiar disc error. Sure enough, there were 3 small scratches on the back of the disc. Sure they are small, but they are enough to make the game unplayable. Another disc ruined. Mailed another round of letters.

Update (12/03/06) - Just browsing the Xbox Forum shows how many other people have the same problem. So once my grad school applications are all done, I will be setting up a new website detailing various problems about Xbox to let the public know the business practices they employ. Anyone interested is welcome to visit the Better Business Bureau and let them know how Microsoft screwed you.

 

Initial investment on Xbox 360 : 1146.83

Secondary investment on Xbox 360 : 397.97

Total amount wasted on an Xbox 360 : $1544.80

Help from Microsoft Support : Worthless

Learning a lesson the hard way : Priceless

 

 

 
 
   

 

 

Zac Turney © 2006